Neo-Nazism Is Entering Evangelical Spaces—and Who's Fighting Back | Ep. 38

A neo-Nazi publishing house called Antelope Hill set up a vendor booth at a Christian conference in Ogden, Utah. The conference was called "The War for Normal," organized by New Christendom Press and hosted at Refuge Church by pastors Brian Sauvé and Eric Conn. Among the materials sold: The Essential Speeches of Adolf Hitler, an SS commander memoir, handouts recommending The Turner Diaries—the neo-Nazi novel that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing — swastika jewelry, and literature promoting Cosmotheism, a pagan Nazi religion.

When the story broke, pastor Sauvé said he had "no problem" with Antelope Hill's publications. That evening, pastor Conn posted a video featuring a Sieg Heil, Hitler Youth imagery, and an SS officer confirming Hitler was "one hundred percent" his hero. Joel Webbon posted he would "never" criticize the organizers—then days later posted about Jews: "They killed the Prophets. They killed the Lord Jesus. Paul calls them 'the enemies of all mankind.'"

This week, Tucker Carlson published a 100-minute interview with theologian JD Hall—with Webbon in the studio—titled "The Corrupting Lie of Christian Zionism." Hall argued Christian Zionism is a 19th-century invention propagated by the Scofield Reference Bible. He calls Israel "a desert war cult," claims modern Judaism has no continuity with Old Testament religion, and characterizes certain Jewish prayers as prayers for the destruction of Christians.

Hall also reframed Islam as a friend to Christianity—claiming Muslims "love Jesus," characterizing Ottoman rulers as "very kind to Christians," and arguing that Christian-Muslim conflict is the result of "Jewish talking points on the television and the news."

These two events are not separate stories. They are the visible surface of a years-long ideological shift: from Israel is our ally to Jews are our enemies—and now, Muslims are our friends.

Doug Wilson asked the right question after Ogden: why did Antelope Hill think there was a healthy market for their books at a Christian conference? Tonight, we answer that.

Joining Jeremy:

JON HARRIS (@jonharris1989)—Host of Conversations That Matter, author of Against the Waves (2025) and Social Justice Goes to Church. Ordained pastor with an MDiv from Southeastern Seminary. A decade tracking ideological infiltration of evangelical and Reformed spaces.

WILL SPENCER (@willspencer)—Stanford-educated, grew up Jewish, baptized 2020. Host of The Will Spencer Podcast and author of "The Dangerous Secret Your Young Men Are Keeping: Neo-Nazi Thought Has Entered the Church" (Christ Over All, June 2025). He nearly got pulled into the Stone Choir orbit in 2024 and wrote the definitive account of how the radicalization pipeline works.

ETHAN HANSON—Making his first public appearance under his real name. For years the anonymous X account @not_our_guy / Hitler Hated Christ, he has meticulously debunked the memes, disinformation, and historical revisionism online neo-Nazis use to deceive and recruit.